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PostSubject: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:17 pm

I've been meaning to make this post for a while and I think you all deserve to know why my progress has basically stopped about the new ES Master Server I was going to make.

There are two issues on why I can't do this AS OF NOW.
1. Programs like Hamachi only exist on PC, and not on phones. Hamachi also has strict limits. When me and Dan started playing ES for the first time over Hamachi, we almost immediately hit the user limit(6) for the Hamachi network, deterring anyone else who wanted to play.

2. PPSSPP Ad-Hoc emulation is not done. PPSSPP lacks the ability to discover other PPSSPP clients unless under special conditions(using ProOnline, which doesn't work with ES).

Both of these issues need to be solved before a true ES Ad-Hoc Master Server could be created. Right now, you would need the IP address of the Host in order to play. Sadly, not everyone is tech savvy enough to understand how to get it.

The first issue would be solved if the second is solved, let me explain.

Networks like Tunngle, and Evolve do not disclose individual IP addresses of their users on the VLN(Virtual Lan Network). So now it's pretty obvious why this is a problem. You need the IP address of the host in order to join. And since PPSSPP is unable to do it without help, networks like Evolve and Tunngle are useless... At least for now.

Perhaps in the near future, a new release of PPSSPP will fully emulate the Ad-Hoc functionality. There is already a new version 1.1.1, which states that it has "minor wifi improvements", which I doubt include automatic host discovery.


Soon I will be testing the "improvements" in PPSSPP 1.1.1 to see if it has added some sort of autodiscovery, which I doubt it has. As it would be a major update and not just a minor one.

For now, I need help from you guys. How could you help me, you ask? Well, you could join my Hamachi network and we could communicate that way, so I could test Evolve with some users and see if I can jerry rig something.

I may be very smart about what I'm doing, but I'm not perfect, and I hope to be very wrong about what I just wrote above. Any help would be appreciated.

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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:23 pm

Oh and before Dan replies "They could just make another Hamachi Network!"

That's a very bad reason, because then the userbase of ES would be fragmented and it would not be nearly as easy to find someone to play because you have to join 6000 different Hamachi groups.
It's sloppy, and makes it harder for the community to unite into a single pool of users. It does not matter what any individual server can hold, whether it's 6 players or 6 million, we still need the VLN to hold many more players than 6, especially if we want to revive ES in any degree.
PEOPLE ARE LAZY AND THEY WANT THE EASY WAY OUT
INSTALLING HAMACHI IS ALREADY TOO MUCH FOR SOME
JOINING 666 GROUPS ISNT GOING TO GO WELL WITH THE FEW WHO PUT UP WITH HAMACHI
No offense Dan, but using Hamachi for this is a bad idea. Evolve, Game Ranger, Tunngle would be better options.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:40 pm

A custom program would work better, there might be a few open-source hamachi-like programs that we can customize?


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:49 pm

Even if we used some open source program, the main problem remains... You need PPSSPP to be able to find people automatically. I will try to work with PPSSPP and Hamachi and other programs, but I need help. It's a pain testing this kind of thing by yourself.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:11 pm

what I was thinking was using something like a Adhoc to USB plugin on the PSP, and modify a Hamachi-like program so it'd be plug&play. We could perhaps host a server on PPSSPP, I know there were codes to unlock the max player limit.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:31 pm

If that exists (PSP Ad-Hoc USB thingy), then it should be possible to use Hamachi or something similar and connect to eachother.

Could you provide a link to said software and documentation on it?
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Can you please join my Hamachi group? I really want to get ES up and running again, but nobody seems to have time to help me.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:05 pm

can't you get bigger rooms if you get hamachi premium or something? I have to reinstall everything from ppsspp to hamachi because all of that data was on the laptops that got stolen and crashed


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:07 pm

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If that exists (PSP Ad-Hoc USB thingy), then it should be possible to use Hamachi or something similar and connect to eachother.

Could you provide a link to said software and documentation on it?
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Can you please join my Hamachi group? I really want to get ES up and running again, but nobody seems to have time to help me.
There IS an Adhoc to USB plugin, I believe. Let me search it. http://www.teamxlink.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41604


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:18 pm

Bookmarked it. If I'm in the mood, I will test this tomorrow, but it's going to take a lot of work to set up... And sadly, I might be one of the only people who could test this, because this requires more than one PSP.

Hopefully ES works with this addon, because it sure as hell does not like Pro Online or whatever it's called.

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XLink's official site says that it DOES support ES, so I will most likely begin testing when I get off of work tomorrow, because this seems very interesting! :P

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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:23 am

First, I joined your hamachi room and I'm ready when you are because I have no more exams until next year.
Second, I've already tryied using XLink Kai with the help of some guys from monster hunter rooms and it didn't work, at least for me. You could try it anyways with ppsspp instead of trying with an USB and the PSP, maybe that'll do it.
Third, I tryied using ppsspp 1.1.1 and it couldn't even connect with Dan's match... we could try anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:37 pm

I have two working psps as well. well ones screen is half broken and you have to hold it a certain way or half the screen goes black but it works and Isaac has his.

I am on vacation now tho and wont be back for 2 weeks so our psps are at home lol


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:41 pm

I have 1 working PSP.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:44 pm

[SWES]LeaderDanDino wrote:
can't you get bigger rooms if you get hamachi premium or something? I have to reinstall everything from ppsspp to hamachi because all of that data was on the laptops that got stolen and crashed

But why should we pay for that when we can get other programs like Evolve for free and come with a 32 player limit on their room?

And thanks Dolan, I will try to set everything up tomorrow after school.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:59 am

true, EvolveHQ works like that, plus, I found its performance better, at least for me.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:24 pm

I think Evolve is the best option too. And to the person who keeps asking to help me, (Forgot your name, it's been a long day! Just pulled 7 hours at school and 7 hours at work!), I am very busy and cannot get to setting up the Evolve network just yet. Plus, you live in Spain! Pretty small window where you can help me!

I will try to start working on it as soon as possible. But it's going to take time. Thanks for anyone who wants to support me in this.

The reason why it's so hard and tedious to do for one person is because I'm going to have to run on two physical separate networks, and have two separate physical computers, both of which running Evolve(Which takes 600 years to install, btw), properly configured PPSSPP clients on both machines, AND make sure ports are working correctly because Dan and everyone else complains that they cannot join the games that I host.

Even with all of this set up, there is still a lot of room for error, and no idea where to start.
I will get it all up eventually... Never giving up on ES. Love that game, it IS Battlefront 3, and it sure as hell beats any other star wars game out there.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:42 pm

who lives in Spain? O.o


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:03 pm

I live in Spain and I am Ivan. And I'm not sure if being in Spain makes any difference if we are going to be connected in the same network but if it does let me know and if I can do anything (testing, research) tell me because I'm not giving up on ES either.
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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:31 pm

oh ok. I'm from Portugal, so it should be the same with me.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:44 pm

It's not that your being far away stops us, it's the time zone difference, by the time I am home from work/school, you're already asleep haha


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:09 pm

5 hours or 6, isn't it?


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:31 pm

Think so. By the time I'm home from school, he's already gone. Lol


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:33 pm

lol we only talk when I am up late.


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:02 pm

didn't we try evolve before and It didn't work?


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:23 am

Did we?


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PostSubject: Re: Why ES on PPSSPP Multiplayer is a PAIN IN THE ASS & Why we can do NOTHING about it.   Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:49 am

I think you did... and since I have christmas holidays I can be up for much more time.
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