who has a problem with me(dark)

reasons + evidence would be nice.

we will sort this out now.

I am indifferent to you.

? why should anyone have a problem w you?

You act like a dictator and a tough guy. Yep discussion time.

I ain't got no problem with you. I agree with basically every decision you make really. I trust admins and leaders(except when they edit my profile(yes I know who it is and its a admin))

because if i bloody well didn't act tough people would take the piss more than they already do. and i dont act like a dictator because i do allow you all to discuss things with me and reach resolutions peacefully. when people dont do that, i reduce all ur freedoms until the situation is resolved. its called damage limitation my friend and it does work

We all know dark is soft and mushy on the inside.

Right....I really hope to not see that :P

๖ĠøŻiŤaŃ๖♥ wrote:

You act like a dictator and a tough guy. Yep discussion time.

Chilllz Groforuratisan everyone and everything is allright ^_^

I do.

I do.
You over dramatize stuff and are quick to use the banhammer.
You also seem to like to act like red when it comes to your position, the old red.
Yes, you may be a loyal and old HACK member, but that won't give you my respect, if you act cool to me and others and not start throwing "Ill ban u if u no stfu" lines in the xat when someone is arguing with you then I would show you my respect and treat you like any other friend.

I always crack people off just to toughen people up, humans are soft and need a few punches in the stumache sometimes.

^ sorry but I agree..../:

no problem here, but i am not under your authority so i shouldn't have problems anyway :p

Stop it. Everyone. We do not want all this trouble.

In one way dark, you're right, you do give us freedom (most of the time), But you Do turn into a dictator when you sometimes say "If you don't agree/read this topic/demand you'l be banned"
And your method may work, but it only brings hate and shitty rep in the long-run.

I also agree a lil with Jason;
"You over dramatize stuff and are quick to use the banhammer.
You also seem to like to act like red when it comes to your position, the old red" I agree a little bit wif that cuz you've done it recently.

Otherwise, You're fine and there ain't a issue.

[HACK]LeaderDandino. wrote:

no problem here, but i am not under your authority so i shouldn't have problems anyway :p

yeah, but me and you are best friends and if anything, your best placed than anyone to tell me if i do something wrong

@everyone else, will reply individually tomorrow. really don't have time but am reading.

no problem here but if a joke doesnt concern you or isnt about you, please stay out of it.

this is hack clan my friend, everything concerns me.

fact.

The Godzilla King wrote:

I ain't got no problem with you. I agree with basically every decision you make really. I trust admins and leaders(except when they edit my profile(yes I know who it is and its a admin))

care to share who it was?

Rivaille wrote:

I do.
You over dramatize stuff and are quick to use the banhammer.
You also seem to like to act like red when it comes to your position, the old red.
Yes, you may be a loyal and old HACK member, but that won't give you my respect, if you act cool to me and others and not start throwing "Ill ban u if u no stfu" lines in the xat when someone is arguing with you then I would show you my respect and treat you like any other friend.

I always crack people off just to toughen people up, humans are soft and need a few punches in the stumache sometimes.

one thing you wanna know is that you need to be careful what you say,

You see, the last person who even said that he didn't give me any respect was forced to by dan who threatened him with a ban himself.

You see, you have to give me respect because i'm the co-leader and second in command on this site and thats how it goes, i'm afraid.

And, i generally throw the 'i'll ban you if you don't stfu' lines when the fight is about someone else.

Lemme show an example:

Two people are having an argument when i come on xat

I tell them to be quiet and tell each person's side of the story./

if someone carries on, i will throw in that line against them.

because to solve a fight, both people need to be calm and tell each side of the story so we can settle differences in a calm, civilized manner, like normal humans do.

If people can't grow up and accept thats the way things are done irl and thats the way i do things here, then maybe its about time those people need a reality check and to grow up and understand the way the world works. Its childish. Fighting itself is childish.

Now i've posted that last part, someone will come on and say:'you were fighting before'

Admittedly, yes, i was, it is hard to follow those guidelines/rules stated above when its more personal. The difference between me, red and other childish people (red isn't childish) is that in the end, i made the right choice. I gathered evidence, built up a case and was able to prove and provide a reason to ban him and hence did ban him.

And i dont over exaggerate.

If someone needs to read something because its important, then is it not simpler to say: 'read this or i will ban you'

And yes, i do say that sometimes because when everyone needs to read something, they need to read something. and if they don't, then maybe they should consider leaving because thats not the way we do things on hack.

With regards to my last point and to some other people on hack, maybe some of you need a reminder of what it means to be on hack:

-You follow rules without question
-you obey leaders without question
-you respect people with higher ranks
- if someone in a higher position tells you to read something, you read it as it must be important
-If you meet a person THROUGH hack, it is the sole responsibility of the admins and leaders to control how much you socialize with that person and if you do socialize with that person and a leader commands you to end it, then you must end it. BUT, for you to be told to not socialize with a person, the leader must provide valid proof of evidence as to why.
In short, you meet a person through hack, then hack rules apply at all times. That makes hack a safer place, lowers clan leaches like ace and complies with real-life governmental rules.

If you want a real life example of this last part:

e.g. you meet a person through facebook. This person then starts to feed you anti-whatever views and other content that can be deemed as terrorism. Or lets say they persuade you to join a terrorist cell. Or maybe that person is a paedophile. Whichever one of these doesn't matter. Lets say this person does innapropriate things with you/to you, etc, you get the idea. Well, if this happens on a large site like facebook, then the facebook admins would get questioned by the authorities as to why they failed to stop this on their site and would get punished as a result.

Whilst hack clan is none of the above and not subject to any of that should that happen, we still have that rule there for the benefits it brings (mentioned above)

So, don't call me a dictator or anything. I enforce the rules harsh, yes, but hack becomes a better, safer place as a result.

Whenever i think someone is doing something wrong or out of line, i will tell them and i don't care who or how many people it hurts, it needs to be done correctly so it doesn't cause problems for hack in the future. Put it this way, i'd rather lose 6 members or so right now, or lose 30 in the future. If i'd caught onto acehole faster, we would not have had half as much trouble or members with split loyalties as we did and thats where the last part of that point comes from.

So, again, i'm not a dictator, if i tell you something, it is because i know it is for the better.

-Finally, you can ask questions, but boycotting leaders, harassing them or otherwise similar is not allowed. And arguing with them is forbidden.
^Right now, we're having a controlled discussion about this.

^thats for everyone to read.

If we can't argue with leaders we can't have a discussion ...

And co leader or not, You don't get my respect.

I maybe new but I am the sister of Drake he snapped at me to make my own account. XD.  "STFU or I'll ban you" is not exactly calm or orderly they will most likely say something back and then you will rage and then it gets out of hand.  Red is childish whenever he gets offended he raged like a two year old. So what you going to have sick Dan on people to make them respect you?  If someone has to threaten someone to give that person respect that is not respect that is bullying.  Respect is earned not given.

๖ĠøŻiŤaŃ๖♥ wrote:

If we can't argue with leaders we can't have a discussion ...

And co leader or not, You don't get my respect.

Yes, I must agreed with Goz. Argue is a static part of discussion but most saw in it a insulting/war/fight. Since when is arguing forbidden, if you don't insult/war/fight with it to an other person?

Do a fair and correct discussion and you don't use it to damage. You need it to present the facts.

Disallow to agrue and I cannot speak more here. I know "How to discussing?". You miss understand me then learn first to grow up to adult person +18 years and oldder with knowlegde for fair talk, then we can re-talk/re-speak.

This is exactly what I do not like about you.
"Respect me of my higher position" well, newsflash, that won't happen.
When I was banned in the xat the first time I came on here I asked to be unbanned and the situation to be settled, I didn't know who any of you guys were and Dan was the only one able to check things from both sides and give a 'fitted' punishment, for that I still respect him till today.

You on the other hand are only using your side of the story to ban people.
"I gather information and when he said "fuck you" he needs to get banned, if I said it it's only a mistake" that's how it looks to me.

Also I people start fights mainly because it's personal, you only don't get mad at others because you're not involved, unless you are then It's suddenly "personal".

You tell people to grow up, but on the other hand you're a hypocrite.

I don't like dictating and censoring rules, that's why I don't act 'civilized' as all the others might do here. you either get my respect or you don't.